forgotten information



forgotten information


Deleted Member

Sep 11, 07 at 02:35am
Thought you might be interested in this forgotten bit of information.........
It was 1987! At a lecture the other day they were playing an old news video of Lt.Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan Administration.

There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, but what he said was stunning!

He was being drilled by a senator; "Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security system?"

Ollie replied, "Yes, I did, Sir."

The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience, "Isn't that just a little excessive?"

"No, sir," continued Ollie.

"No? And why not?" the senator asked.

"Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir."

"Threatened? By whom?" the senator questioned.

"By a terrorist, sir" Ollie answered.

"Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?"

"His name is Osama bin Laden, sir" Ollie replied.

At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn't pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued. Why are you so afraid of this man?" the senator asked.

"Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know of", Ollie answered.

"And what do you recommend we do about him?" asked the senator.

"Well, sir, if it was up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth."

The senator disagreed with this approach, and that was all that was shown of the clip.


By the way, that senator was Al Gore!

Also:

Terrorist pilot Mohammad Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners."

However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands, The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released.

Thus Mohammad Atta was freed and eventually thanked the US by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center. This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified. <It was censored in the US from all later reports.

If you agree that the American public should be made aware of this fact, pass this on.

yogithebear

Sep 11, 07 at 10:13am
This is old news but worth remembering. Of course the dems who support the clintons don't like to be reminded of it.

zepyer_1999

Sep 11, 07 at 06:19pm
Yeah, funny you guys forget that at the time Bin Laden had not committed any crime agains't the USA. In fact he had been a minor Allie with us in Afganistan. We were suppose to break our own laws and kill him because some Marine Corp Lt. Col with a questionable background himself says so??
Clinton had not been President for a long time on 9/11, stop blaming him.

eddy2

Sep 11, 07 at 06:42pm
Too little space to detail all the missed signels on Bin Ladon. The war on terrorism was the correct response to 9/11, but moving on Iraq was a great blunder and took our attention from the real goals. We are now lossing our grip on Afgan.

vstromcpl1

Sep 11, 07 at 07:17pm
Clinton was President on 9/11? Go back and study your history. Or where you trying to say Clinton had been president for a short time when the whole Ollie North thing was going on? Again, go study your history
Yes, we missed some signals on Ben Ladin, but we missed them on Castro and Hoy Chin Minm as well. And they all came back to bite us in the ass.
Edited by vstromcpl1 Sep 11, 07 at 07:25pm

zepyer_1999

Sep 11, 07 at 07:22pm
Eddy2, you make a solid and true point and I agree with you.
I was station in Wash D.C. in an Air Force intel organization that had a lot of people in Iran. A lot of our people had to leave Iran with what they could pack into one suitcase and had to be out in 24 hours.
Some of those folks were reassigned to Wash D.C. Being mostly a kid at the time that knew little of that region I asked a lot of questions of them about it and they told me about what was going on and what could happen. Basically what is happening today.
I was reassigned to Texas and our embassey in Tehran was taken over and the 444 days were in full swing.
By then I had done some reading and had been watching mostly "Nightline" for information.
One day another NCO and myself were in line at the chow hall right behind the Wing Commander and the Senior Enlisted Advisor.
The other guy and I were talking about the hostage situation and he asked if I thought the communists were behind it and I said "no" this was totally different. Before I could really finish the Senior Enlisted Advisor overheard what I said and he started dressing me down because I was under estimating the commie threat. I think he mainly did it beacaus the Wing Commander was standing there giving us the eye.
I was amazed that a man with his experience and age culdn't think we could have more than one threat. I didn't bother to try and find out what he knew of the Middle East and Isalm.
What bugs me about the subject of this thread is that id does nothing but bring divison and point fingers of those that were out of power when 9/11 happened. Al Gore was only a Senator on a commission; where was George?
It is said of Scotland that the English always had an easy time conquering it because the only people the Scots would rather fight than the Engish is each other.
I think America is becoming like that. We would rather fix the blame than fix the problem.
I couldn't bel

yogithebear

Sep 12, 07 at 06:56am
Clinton was President on 9/11? Go back and study your history. Or where you trying to say Clinton had been president for a short time when the whole Ollie North thing was going on? Again, go study your history
Yes, we missed some signals on Ben Ladin, but we missed them on Castro and Hoy Chin Minm as well. And they all came back to bite us in the ass.


What the poster said was that one of the terrorists that flew one of the planes was only out of prison because Clinton demanded that Israel release him. If that hadn't happened, I'm sure Binladin would have found another suicidal maniac to fly the plane but none the less he was in that cockpit only because of Clinton.

Deleted Member

Sep 12, 07 at 09:30am
wasn't bin laden responsible for the first trade center bombing during the clinton administration?

newguy1

Sep 12, 07 at 10:05am
Snopes is your friend.

North didn't testify about Bin Laden, he testified about another terrorist. At the time Bin Laden was considered a "freedom fighter".

The Atta released was not the same Atta that flew the plane on 9/11.



The 9/11 Commission spread the blame of the attacks and the missed signals on both the Clinton and Bush admins primarily, but the reality is that all those signals were missed regardless, and that no specific enough information had been put together yet.

Through I'm no Clinton fan by any means, he did make a lot of changes after the first attacks, including detailed plans for any further attacks and the division of responsibilities among various federal agencies.

That very policy set in place by Clinton is the one that dictated the course of actions when 9/11 happened.... and according to that policy Bush had no immediate actions required other than to protect himself from danger.

zepyer_1999

Sep 12, 07 at 08:50pm
Well, no fan of either anymore.
Will give Bush this: he basically followed protocol from the cold war. I'm a bit surprised after the second plane hit that the Secret Service didn't walk in and pick him up off the ground and take him out like they did Cheny.
Protecting your top officals only makes sense in an attack, especially the Commander in Chief.
Part of the problem that day was for some reason the communication gear on AF 1 wasn't working right (murphy's law) and sometimes no one was sure where he was. He was first taken to an Air Force base in LA. and then to the old SAC command bunker in Nebraska.
Since no one was sure what was going on at the time it made sense. But, his critics will never give him that.